Episode Discussion: Supermodel Snatch Game
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Date: 2016-04-05 04:05 am (UTC)Ooooh, no good! But at least you have the option of a later showing, most shows don't.
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Date: 2016-04-05 07:45 am (UTC)I'm glad Derrick's Britney went well, even though it was no Chad Michael's Cher and Tatianna's Britney was funnier. Bob's win was fair, and I was happy to see how well Thorgy, Chi Chi and Kim Chi did! Good of Michelle to call her out on the showboating though - she could become really grating if her head gets too big, and I really don't want to dislike Bob! Bob's amazing!
It's sad that Betty went home just when she seemed to open up towards the other girls. It felt like the beginning of a potential journey. But then again, it's easy to get smooshy in an enclosed space. I think there was a lot of talent we didn't see though, whereas I'm not sure how much Naomi can grow in the space left on the show. Not enough to win it, I fear.
Can we talk about how brilliant Kimmy Jong Un was?! I loved the concept, yes it's a face we've seen Kim Chi do before but it was hilarious.
Chi Chi is clearly talented and charismatic and I hope she gets more chances to shine without letting her insecurities/baggage get the better of her. Derrick was a total ass in face of her sincere apology, though.
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Date: 2016-04-05 04:28 pm (UTC)Maybe I have zero sympathy anymore, but I just didn't care at all when Betty said that no one accepted her. It felt so manufactured all of a sudden. I understand being bitchy as a defense mechanism and all, but also I kind of don't...like if you want people to work with you, you can't sit there and insult the ever living daylights out of them relentlessly. At a certain point, it's basically preemptive bullying.
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Date: 2016-04-06 06:41 am (UTC)I agree with you 100% on this, and, honestly, it's made me dislike her. I mean, no matter how she does on Drag Race, she's going back to a regular gig that probably consistently pays more than most of the other queens in the competition make. She could easily afford to be more magnanimous given the circumstances, especially to Chi Chi, who is working two jobs outside of drag just to scrape by.
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Date: 2016-04-07 01:17 am (UTC)I don't know if you're watching Untucked (I do). One of the most interesting things was seeing a softer side to Acid B. She did eyerolled/made bitchy comments during Trixie's video, but she was very supportive of the rest of the queens.
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Date: 2016-04-05 04:41 pm (UTC)Was Derrick even doing Britney's accent? Because I was so underwhelmed. She had a few one-liner moments, but damn, that was not even remotely that great.
Acid Betty and Robbie were both just awful. It was like they hadn't ever even heard of who they were impersonating. And as much as I am/was rooting for Robbie, she really needs to stop with the excuses. It's getting very, very old.
BOB THOUGH. BOB YOU PRECIOUS GLORIOUS BOB. Just so good. So so sooooooooo good. When she popped back in as Carol Channing after already being absolutely hilarious as Crazy Eyes!Uzo, it was just EVERYTHING. And Michelle may have had a tiny point about potential showboating, but honestly? I think Bob actually threw the assist to other queens on that panel. She gave opportunities for comebacks, without being nuts like Season 4's front row shenanigans, and Chi Chi and Derrick threw back really well.
I wish Naomi would have gone with Whoopi Goldberg when she saw that Bob wasn't doing it. Glad she stuck around though.
But good lord, all those terrible kimonos. So awkward!
For a second I thought Ru was going to do a double save, actually. I was really genuinely surprised that Acid Betty sashayed away so early in the game. Not particularly sorry about it, but definitely surprised.
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Date: 2016-04-07 01:29 am (UTC)And as much as I am/was rooting for Robbie, she really needs to stop with the excuses. It's getting very, very old.
That's a v. good point. I can't help but wonder why she keeps choking nearly every single time.
Had Mama Ru not done the double elimination in episode 2 or brought back Naysha, I think she might've done a double save. Despite my hot/cold feels about Acid B., I do find her interesting.
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Date: 2016-04-07 04:05 pm (UTC)Right? It's like she does something great and then flatlines immediately after, but instead of being grown about it, she makes excuses.
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Date: 2016-04-07 04:45 pm (UTC)The thing that is frustrating about Robbie is that we know she's capable of doing her bit for the challenges. She's a trained actor for Ornacia's sake! Is it nerves? Is it lack of sleep? Her excuses are older than a S1 gaff so I'm hoping that she gets her act together and stops it with trying to reason her way of why she didn't deliver.
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Date: 2016-04-05 06:46 pm (UTC)Bob: Gutsy to do two characters. She definitely grabbed attention. She was also pretty generous, throwing openers to some of the others. Great runway, iconic and very polished.
Thorgy: This is all Kennedy's fault. Without Little Richard, I doubt Michael would have occurred to her. Thorgy did a great job, only issue was that Michael was so soft-spoken so she couldn't steal focus easily. Kimono.
Derrick: Oh thank goodness she went with Britney. She played well off others. Kimono...and not even an actual Madonna kimono.
Kim Chi: Not sure if "Kimmy" was gutsy or lazy? Kimono.
Chi Chi: Eartha Kitt was great! Cartoony but that works for Snatch Game. NOT a Kimono! And she constructed it there, even more impressive. I'm scared for her though, she's out of clothes! Will she be able to make something appropriate for all of the upcoming runways?
Robbie: Terribad. Did you not prep at all? Her runway was awesome though, love that movie.
Naomi: Even more terribad. Unfunny and unmemorable. And then, to top it off, a kimono, kind of.
Acid Betty: Flatline. But a fabulous runway, creative and unique.
Betty was at such a disadvantage lipsyncing in her pregnant belly; I thought the two of them were pretty evenly matched on the lipsync, so I wish she'd gotten a bit of extra credit for managing herself in such an unwieldy costume.
Betty's exit was so gracious! Watch Whatcha Packin, she is so chill and grateful and sweet. It was nice to see that side of her.
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Date: 2016-04-06 03:16 am (UTC)It breaks my heart that we were just starting to see that side of her and now she's gone. :(
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Date: 2016-04-06 05:15 am (UTC)And then wutchu say, Acid Betty? "Snatch Game sucks"?!? Insert Kim/my Jong Un neck slice here. You done, bitch.
This was one of the better Snatch Games in a while, even though the models weren't much as contestants. Thorgy is starting to be so underappreciated that it hurts, and her Michael was great. Chi Chi's Eartha Kitt was equally inspired, particularly with the actual cat mannerisms. But I get why Bob won - two characters, both perfectly done? Damn, Bob Thedragqueen, you scary!
And to be fair, Carol Channing is partly black, so that's not entirely out of left field.
Naomi sucked at Snatch Game, but not as bad as Acid Betty and definitely not as bad as Robbie. For doing an intensely obscure character and failing at it, she should have been bottom two'ed.
Look at Kim Chi starting to come out of her shell. Kim/my Jong Un was pretty damn clever. Kudos for writing her Snatch Game answers in both English and Korean.
Runway: I'm glad only one person did Blonde Ambition Madonna. However I am irked that no one did Marie Antoinette/Express Yourself Madonna or 1984 VMAs/Like A Virgin Madonna. Also, Thorgy and Kim Chi's kimonos ruled; Naomi and Derek's kimonos sucked.
At this point unless there's another upset, I think it's going to be Bob/Thorgy/Kim at the end.
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Date: 2016-04-07 01:32 am (UTC)I'm gonna say that, if she chooses to stop it with the robes + undies, Naomi has a solid chance to be in the top 3.
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Date: 2016-04-07 02:08 pm (UTC)That said, I do agree that Mama Ru's preference for glamour queens does give Naomi a bit of an edge. Especially since this season has had a lot more variety in terms of different kinds of drag.
Snatch Game, Part I
Date: 2016-04-06 06:29 am (UTC)Speaking of Bob, poor Pandora -- she tweeted "Once something is done right on a show, why even bother," about Bob's Carol Channing, and people came for her. I like Pandy, I truly do, but her insecurity is showing here. We can love both interpretations, doll, and you will always be the one to have done her first! Maybe people just always like Carol Channing showing up. I also appreciated Bob sharing the limelight by reaching out as Carol to Chi Chi's Eartha. As John Polly put it, once Charo was there, it was practically a Love Boat reunion. :)
Runway:
Judges:
Re: Snatch Game, Part I
Date: 2016-04-06 07:00 am (UTC)Many thanks to both you and your husband for knowing who Mozart and Salieri even are, let alone using them to make an accurate comparison.
If Naomi had done Whoopi, she wouldn't have been in the bottom two, deffo.
I completely forgot to mention Chanel Iman! I was so mad that it wasn't *Iman* Iman, who I'd been expecting since seeing the name on the Wikipedia article in passing. I am disappoint.
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Date: 2016-04-06 07:07 am (UTC)You are welcome to Shady Barry. *beams happily*
At first, I, too, was disappointed that it wasn't "real" Iman, but then I thought about when this was filmed, and what was going on with David, and I am sure she was spending that time with him. Maybe she'll be on a future season.
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Date: 2016-04-07 02:29 am (UTC)Yeah, I'd have wanted to see Derrick go into another kind of Britney. Not wanting to potentially offend Britney (there's no doubt in my mind that Britney or someone in her team is aware not only of Derrick but also of him being a participant in the show this year) was a bad move.
After all, Chad Michaels served up a hilarious Cher during her SG. And her impersonation wasn't offensive.
My best guess is that Derrick simply isn't funny when he's Britney?
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Date: 2016-04-07 05:22 am (UTC)This. From what she's shown us so far, Derrick doesn't seem very funny. I suspect that like a lot of the impersonator queens in the past, she has the look of her celebrity down, but just lip syncs their routines and does dance covers. Chad Michaels clearly has a lot of experience doing improv and comedy as Cher, and I don't think Derrick can say the same when doing her Britney - at the very least, she doesn't seem like she has a lot of improv experience.
Snatch Game, Part II
Date: 2016-04-06 06:30 am (UTC)General notes:
I was a bit sorry to say goodbye to Acid Betty, but I think we'd seen most of what we were going to see from her (to be fair, some of the more amazing looks of the season), except for the library episode. I am surprised by how much she's grown on me -- I usually detest queens who come out swinging, but I think she just needs some time to heal -- some of that attitude is coming from a creative person who's been hurt and has formed a protective shell. I feel like there's a really decent person under there who's got a lot of defenses up from her parents passing away, from her time being overweight, etc. We were just starting to see some of those defenses drop -- I like the moment in the previous Untucked episode where she's brushing out Chi Chi's wig. She was so laid back and pleasant on Periscope with the attendees last night. I think she's smart enough to be aware that she tends to put out a prickly exterior when she's in a new situation and unsure of the landscape, and maybe tried to turn that tendency into an advantage by intentionally going for the villain edit? I don't know.
If displaying range and versatility is what Drag Race is theoretically supposed to be about (we've seen some seasons where it wasn't), then Chi Chi is my girl this season. She might not have the money to bring expensive looks, but she's been good in every single challenge, and has excelled in a number of them. I admire her determination. Bob's been great, too: I'd certainly be fine with him winning. However, Chi Chi came a lot farther to get where she is now, and I just love her heart.
Re: Snatch Game, Part II
Date: 2016-04-07 02:33 am (UTC)Chichi is playing to win. Aside from my wish to see her polish her looks just a bit, I'm thinking that she might make it to top 3 without much difficulty.
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Date: 2016-04-07 01:12 am (UTC)OTOH, this season's Snatch Game was fairly solid. OTOH, about half of the queens were EPIC FAILS at what should've been the easiest RPDR runway category ever!
Robbie: I don't know what to think about her. In some ways, I feel that she set herself up for failure by not only acknowledging Jinxx and BenDeLa's 'from the left field' choices for SG but the fact that they won. But then, if you're going to pick a famous person but then refrain from recreating their most iconic look, the only way to keep yourself from elimination would've been to make Diana V. funny. She's v., v. lucky that her runway was cute and distinctive.
Bob: First off, killah runway. It was very tongue in cheek and, although Madonna only wore it once, quite memorable. Given that I've never watched OITNB, I had no idea of who her first character was. Her Carol Channing was funnier. Although it did feel like she let her own personality bleed through whenever she was coming for Chichi's Eartha. Still, doing two characters was really cool. It was a solid win.
Thorgy had the luck of being the first queen wearing a kimono (therefore was spared the "oh, look ANOTHER one" grumbling the judges must have mumbled at one point). Her Michael Jackson was funny.
Derrick was super smart in doing Britney. I do wish her Brit Brit would've been snarkier, but I think that Derrick probably didn't want to take her into a dark place? The only good thing about her runway look was that the kimono wasn't red.
Naomi should've done Whoppi. Her New York had no personality and the look was as great as three month-old popcorn. I remember saying "OF COURSE! ANOTHER ROBE + UNDIES". It's like, gurl, other queens have told you to change your looks a bit in the previous Untucked and now the judges themselves have dropped hints that they're tired of that drag version of Victoria's secret catalog. She's one of the most talented queens so I'm glad she got to stay.
It was great to see Kim Chi's risk pay off during SG. HOWEVUH, another kimono. Really? #siiiiiiiiigh
Acid Betty's runway was super clever (but not the best outfit to wear if you know you might be LFYL. Ijs). I'm not sure she knew who Nancy Grace was because everything from the look to the mannerisms were deader than dead. Unfortunately, I got spoiled mere seconds before I watched this episode so I knew she was going home. :-/
Chi-Chi's dollar store version of Madonna circa Blonde Ambition was quirky enough to get a kudos from me. It was creative because of how she tapped into a super-known reference (very few people old enough to have heard about Madonna don't know about her cone bras). If only the look had been more polished. That said, her Eartha was LOLarious.
The one thing I don't get about this episode is why, once the queens saw that several were going to wear kimonos, four of them strolled down the runway in freaking kimonos. I mean, we're talking Madonna here. Literally, someone who is famous for changing her looks every time she blinks. #smh
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Date: 2016-04-07 05:00 am (UTC)As the last few seasons have had 14 queens and this one only has 12, i`m hoping that Betty will get an arch and be the second returning queen. She was so consistently good in all the tasks that it seems such a waste to kick her off just for a poor Snatch Game choice. Naomi`s "New York" was much worse and could have been anyone.
I couldn`t stand carb free Brittney from episode one and I think it`s a crime that Derrick hasn`t lip synched yet and fucked off back to Vegas. I so wanted Bob to punch her when she was bitching at him in the work room :)
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Date: 2016-04-07 05:13 pm (UTC)You know my feelings on Betty. I've come to love her dearly and was crushed by the elimination. I keep hoping that just maybe Ru will bring her back, which, given the tone of this season, it's really out of the realm of possibility. Everything has been shaken up because of the 100th episode/100th queen thing, and we're still early enough on in the season that it's possible. Her elimination felt sort of strategic, like maybe Ru was planning something. I'm not saying Betty's Nancy wasn't dreadful, but still, she's been consistently strong up till now.
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Date: 2016-04-07 06:48 pm (UTC)When she died I lit a candle for her and the flame flickered like mad. I like to think that was a sign that the spirit was present :)
I had an odd feeling Betty was gonna get bumped off the show at the first excuse, which is why I think she also stands a good chance of returning. I didn`t know who her Snatch Game character was but I could tell that even she thought it stank.
Your Betty icon is delicious by the way :p
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Date: 2016-04-08 03:42 am (UTC)That sounds like a very special moment. :')
I bet that if Ru does bring Betty back it'll be along the lines of, "I think I've made a mistake, I just can't stop thinking about..." Isn't that how she approached Carmen's return? Or was it someone else?
Nancy Grace does news on TV and she's VERY opinionated and obnoxious about it. Honestly, it could have been a slam dunk for Betty, but she just didn't put in any oomph. She was, and I'm shocked to say this about her, way too timid.
She also did Dancing with the Stars and she had the sweetest partner and.... she terrorized him. Made fun of him for his heavy Irish accent. Was difficult and obstinate. It was awful. I bet he was relieved when she was eliminated. :(
Why thank you! I thought you might like it. There are a few others here (http://drag-race.livejournal.com/119659.html), if you want to feast on all of Betty's tasty goodness. :P
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Date: 2016-04-10 05:44 pm (UTC)Sounds like Betty could have really gone to town sending up that bigot and instead just bombed. I`m surprised at her choice if she wasn`t sure she could pull it off. If she doesn`t come back I hope Bob and Thorgy just slay the rest of the season.
I checked out your icons already and there great. I had a go at making some gif icons of this seasons Drag Racers but they seem to be too big to load up to LJ :/
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Date: 2016-04-18 03:22 am (UTC)She really could have, if only she'd have done the research. It makes me wonder if that's who she'd originally planned on doing because it sure didn't seem like it. Bah, so she didn't come back. Here's hoping she'll make it on All Stars someday. I've got my eye on Thorgy. I like Bob, but I'm not in love with her.
Thank you! :) Hmmm.... I don't really know much about making icons. I get excited when a basic crop looks decent, lol. Have you tried shortening up the gif? Sometimes that will help. Or you could always try and find a tutorial like this one: http://icon-tutorial.livejournal.com/10624275.html (I would love some animated icons of this season!)
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Date: 2016-04-18 02:26 pm (UTC)Thorgy`s style is a bit bedraggled and I tend to prefer drag that`s better executed, though as a person he has a great upbeat energy and is a total sweetheart. I would be fine about Thorgy taking the crown.
Apart from Derrick i`m not really feeling Kim Chi, but then I often tend not to like the fan favourites.
Me and technology are not on the best of terms, so i`m gonna just give up trying to fathom how to do moving icons. I`m also really bad at following written instruction, so have to be shown how to do something before I pick it up :/
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Date: 2016-05-02 03:21 pm (UTC)I've been pretty impressed by Naomi as well. I never disliked her, but she just didn't really do it for me. But she's really started to open up and do more here recently. I like that she seems educated about her craft, that's very impressive.
Thorgy's style never did it for me, it was more about her personality and humor. That's what I love about Throgy.
I do love Kim Chi, there's something so sweet and sad about her, which I'm sure has a lot to do with her backstory.
Haha, I hear that. I've tried the tutorials before, it has never ended well for me. :P