[identity profile] keeper-of-stars.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] drag_race
Jinkx Monsoon (as Little Edie) recently sang "I Dreamead a Dream" live at the Drag Race "Battle of the Seasons." It's a great watch. I love seeing a queen who can sing live.

Date: 2013-04-03 06:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nearlynina.livejournal.com
I love this and I love her!
I love how it's a perfect mash-up of two very different characters/stories but have been so masterfully crafted so that they come together.
I love her little asides as Edie. They are so reminiscent of the actual scenes in the documentary.

Date: 2013-04-03 09:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vermilionette.livejournal.com
Yes, Jinkx did it great. But no matter how splendid she pulled it off, I still think she could hardly beat the performance of Carmen Carrera on the same occasion. :P

Search for Carmen Carrera "Any Time, Any Place" at the Gramercy Theatre 3/30/13 on YouTube. The community's setting made my last 2 comments (including the video embedding and link) marked as spams, so I deleted them.
Edited Date: 2013-04-03 09:43 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-04-04 02:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vermilionette.livejournal.com
Thank you for the help un-spamming the video. ;)

Date: 2013-04-04 08:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] loveledusastray.livejournal.com
meh. jinx sings and acts (which takes actual talent), carmen struts around naked (yawn). there is no comparison here. :p

Date: 2013-04-04 02:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vermilionette.livejournal.com
But nothing is comparable to Carmen strutting around naked. :P

Date: 2013-04-05 09:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kapvik.livejournal.com
If that's what one is into, I guess. But I expect more from my drag queens than just being able to entice tranny chasers.
Edited Date: 2013-04-05 09:18 am (UTC)

Date: 2013-04-05 11:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vermilionette.livejournal.com
But Carmen is no longer a tranny, technically she is a woman now.
Edited Date: 2013-04-05 11:17 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-04-07 12:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kapvik.livejournal.com
That doesn't affect the fact that most of Carmen's fans seem to be tranny chasers, because that's who her act is designed to go after. This was evident when she was actually on the show; her most vocal supporters were self-identified tranny chasers, while most of her detractors favored queens with performance talents.

Date: 2013-04-08 03:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vermilionette.livejournal.com
I guess you are right. Even after transitioning, there is no restriction that as a woman, they can't participate in drag shows or events anymore (and frankly speaking, the biggest support for them comes from the drag community, not from the biological women). Thus it enables them still to attract the attention of the so-called tranny chasers. I guess for these tranny chasers, there is no difference that even after transitioning a tranny is still a tranny, a queen is still a queen. Perhaps that's the case.
Edited Date: 2013-04-08 03:44 am (UTC)

Date: 2013-04-08 04:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vermilionette.livejournal.com
Yes, also in my area. Even if the transitioned gets support from the drag community, sometimes it still even creates a fuss if the transitioned wants to join a drag show or event. This is a controversial issue that it even still creates debate in the drag community themselves.
Edited Date: 2013-04-08 05:24 am (UTC)

Date: 2013-04-08 07:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kapvik.livejournal.com
Yes, and this also seems to be the unwritten rule for Drag Race. Which I suppose makes sense; if one is a transgender woman who has gone through surgery, that's not really drag anymore. It's more like Drag U - a woman dressing up like a drag queen.

Date: 2013-04-08 04:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vermilionette.livejournal.com
Ah, "transgender woman"! That's the term I was looking for but instead I just used "the transitioned". Sorry for my English, I'm not a native speaker as I live outside US. FYI, I live in Indonesia and I have to download episodes of RPDR to watch every Tuesday night in my timezone. I'm not really familiar with the drag communities in US, but I think they are not that much different from the drag communities we have here. And I have to say perhaps the drag communities here are even more strict, or should I put it "conservative".

Transgender is still a rare case here, but if there is, it still raises some questions (for example, people even still argue whether they should be classified as "woman"). Not to mention the transgender, the drag communities sometimes still have issues with gay communities. For them, both are different, like oil and water, no matter how much we want to connect with them. For example, if there is a drag lipsync competition, gays are not allowed to participate, no matter how much we want to participate, as for them we only dress occasionally. But for gays, we don't see that much difference with them, we only want to have some fun and make connection with them. But they shut us out.

Now how do they treat the transgender? They are treated with respect. But if they want to participate in drag-specific events, it's still creates a fuss from the drag communities themselves (as they are not considered as drag queen anymore). But ideally, I think, there should be no restriction to limit them from participating because they once belonged to the same community (and to what community they should belong after transitioning if even the biological women question their status?) As you can see in that show at Gramercy Theatre where Jinkx and Carmen performed, Carmen was not excluded because she is already a transgender woman even though it was actually a drag show. Yet, perhaps that's how it goes, there is this unwritten rule for this case, same as what they have for RPDR. Perhaps that's how the convention goes.

Date: 2013-04-03 09:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vermilionette.livejournal.com
This is the video I meant. Enjoy! ;)

Date: 2013-04-05 09:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kapvik.livejournal.com
Meh. It's apples and oranges. Apples who can sing and do a fantastic impression and stay in character while doing comedic asides all at the same time, and oranges who anemically prance around naked.

YMMV, but this is exactly why Carmen lost her LSFYL both times.

Date: 2013-04-05 08:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vermilionette.livejournal.com
But among the RPDR contestants so far, Carmen is the only one having the real "CUNT", with a little bit more portion on the "Nerve" for showing it. :P
Edited Date: 2013-04-05 08:25 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-04-05 11:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kapvik.livejournal.com
Carmen's Charisma is spotty at best. I'll give her Uniqueness. Her display of Nerve consisted of making out with Johnny Weir, which is tantamount to sleeping with a judge at a beauty pageant in order to win, and humping Raja; I don't award points for tasteless Nerve. And while there may be many a stripper and porn star to attest that being able to walk around pretty and naked is a talent, it's not a Talent that this show is really looking for.

And if you actually meant that she is the closest to having a physical CUNT, well...there are reasons that Drag Race contestants have to hold off on transition if they are headed in such a direction.

Date: 2013-04-05 11:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vermilionette.livejournal.com
Yeah, you are right. I meant it both ways: Charisma-Uniqueness-Nerve-Talent and physical cunt. But it's a word play, and I intended it as a joke for amusement only. :P
Edited Date: 2013-04-05 11:37 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-04-06 12:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kapvik.livejournal.com
Cool. S'all good.

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